How the Covert-Ops’ Reverse Engineering of ET Abductees Shifts the Abduction Paradigm

Part III


By Melinda Leslie


“Some of you who are more familiar with this topic may think that all I’ve done here is to revisit the past. But, before I move forward, I want to be clear that my research data does not point to a military in-lieu-of ET abduction thesis, but quite the contrary; a military/intelligence community involvement because of ET experiences! It is because the ET experiences are absolutely real that these guys have any interest whatsoever in abductees!”

Conditioned Response

Given all I’ve said here it’s easy to see why many abduction researchers and ufologists have a negative knee-jerk reaction when they hear the term “MILAB.”  There are instant assumptions made that the person using the acronym means something ranging from claiming there are no ET abductions and giving an all too easy reason to explain them all away, to claiming that there is some outrageous mind control program manipulating hundreds of thousands of people across the globe into believing they are all ET abductees. Never mind that such views are completely void of voluminous ET abduction research data and evidence accumulated over years of study and dedication by serious researchers, as well as being void of the data found in MILAB accounts. Given this insight, the view expressed in the following story is understandable.

I occasionally attend abduction researcher and therapist, Yvonne Smith’s, CERO (Close Encounter Resource Organization) support group. Recently after one of our meetings, I had a discussion with Yvonne regarding my ongoing MILAB research when she shared that during various public appearances and UFO conferences at which she speaks, she is often approached and asked if she thinks all abductions were done by the military, and not ETs. She said the person asking her will often say “MILAB” implying it only means a military cause for all abductions. I then explained and clarified my research to Yvonne, but this incident serves to demonstrate a real problem with the public’s misperception of the subject.

Well-known ufologist Jacques Vallee, in his book Revelations: Alien Contact and Human Deception, 1992, also asserted that many ET abduction cases may be PSYOPS deceptions perpetrated by US intelligence agencies. 

With respected researchers stating such a possible cause for abductions, no wonder ufology has developed the conditioned response that MILABS could mean such a thing! 

I understand that nothing strikes fear in an abduction researcher more than someone trying to convince them of a purely human cause (non-ET based) explanation that negates years of research, overwhelming evidence, hard fought for recognition, appreciation of abduction survivors, and the overcoming of so much ridicule for both researcher and abductee alike. Not to mention abduction research’s hard won respect in ufology, rather recently won and still tentative at best.

MILABS as Perpetrated by Hybrids

The idea that MILABS may be hybrid ETs in military uniforms has been expressed by a handful of individuals, most notably that of Dr. David Jacobs. Dr. Jacobs is a friend of mine and a few years back I spoke with him regarding this subject. What he generally believes is what was stated in his book The Threat, 1998: Abductees mistake human-like ET hybrids dressed in military uniforms for US military personnel, and these ETs bring abductees to abandoned military bases or unused areas of active bases where they examine and interrogate them. Therefore, according to Jacobs, there is no evidence that the military is involved in abductions.

Obviously there are a few problems with this view, the first being that in most abductee accounts, the military bases are anything but abandoned. Rather, there are many complex military activities going on at them. Also, how would hybrid ET beings have access to unused areas of active bases and why would they be interrogating abductees about their ET experiences?  Last but not least, his view does nothing to explain all the harassment and surveillance evidence or the presence of ongoing intelligence insider “minders” interacting with abductees in their day-to-day lives.

In addition, in the 1998 MUFON Symposium Proceedings, Dr. Jacobs wrote that he thought that only abductees who are not well-known claim to have military experiences. This is not true. Some of the best known and most famous abductees were the first to come forward, people like Whitley Strieber, multiple best-selling author, Debbie Jordan, “Kathie” of Intruders, Leah Haley, AJ, and Karla Turner.

I feel that Dr. Jacobs is misinterpreting some of the strongest evidence in support of his own theories. Certainly if his theory regarding the ETs as a type of “threat” is correct, and if the number of abduction cases is anywhere near what the researchers claim they are, then wouldn’t those folks who run the intelligence apparatus have figured this out too, and wouldn’t they then have had to make abductions a matter of national security? Additionally, wouldn’t the intelligence apparatus, using one of its working arms such as the military, have an interest in studying such a “threat”?

If abductions are a question of national security, wouldn’t abductees be a part of that question?  How better to study the matter than to monitor, keep an eye on, and interrogate those involved?  While it would be difficult to do so with ETs, it is not so with abductees, especially if given good reason and with enough black budget monies to be thrown at it (more on this later). So, if Dr. Jacobs is correct, then of course military/intelligence communities are going to be interested in abductees. The evidence for MILABS actually validates his research, its importance, and the ultimate reality of ET abductions overall.

Not Military Directed

The reason for a name change is simply that the acronym MILAB puts such an emphasis on the experience being military driven, which in turn causes so much derision. The perception it conjures falls short of including all of what is going on in the experiences and also falls short of addressing why. It is doubtful that the military is actually directing this program. It is more likely that a covert intelligence and ET information management group that I, and some others, call the “cabal,” uses military personnel to conduct and carry out its operations. My guess is even UFO crash retrievals aren’t directed by the military; they are just performed by them. The term MILAB places an overemphasis on the military part of the equation and casts the military in a very negative light. They’re probably not the ones giving the orders – the cabal is.

Back to the Future

Some of you who are more familiar with this topic may think that all I’ve done here is to revisit the past. But, before I move forward, I want to be clear that my research data does not point to a military in-lieu-of ET abduction thesis, but quite the contrary; a military/intelligence community involvement because of ET experiences! It is because the ET experiences are absolutely real that these guys have any interest whatsoever in abductees! And, their interest is predominately in what we, the abductees, know regarding the ETs, their motives, and what we know about ET technology. Hence, moving forward, I can’t help but feel a redefinition is needed.

In the past, I attempted to explain it with my original definition: “covert intelligence and paramilitary re-abduction….” that is until I was interviewed by radio host Tim Binnall on his internet show Binnall of America. At one point during the show, I was explaining how during a MILAB interrogation the abductee is often questioned about ET technology. When I said this Mr. Binnall said,

“It’s like they’re reverse engineering via the abductees,” but at the time I thought he said, “It’s like they’re reverse engineering the abductees,”

(no “via”) and I reacted with the profound sense he had “hit the nail on the head” and asked him if I could quote him. I never previously thought about it in those exact terms, but realized as he did, that is precisely what is going on. He was right; they are reverse engineering via the abductee, and I was right, they are reverse engineering the abductee.

Continue Reading in Part IV: RE-ABS: An Acronym is Reborn, and A Formula for a New Paradigm.

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Melinda Leslie is a researcher, investigator and lecturer in the field of ufology. She has been public with her own abduction encounter experiences for over 20 years and has researched covert-ops and military involvement in abductions for nearly the same length of time. She has interviewed over 80 abductees who have experienced MILABs, which involve military appearing personnel who use drug induced interrogations and hypnosis in order to retrieve extraterrestrial related information from alien abductees. Melinda’s research is featured in the book; Camouflage Through Limited Disclosure: Deconstructing a Cover-up of the Extraterrestrial Presence by Randy Koppang.

Melinda Leslie has lectured for numerous organizations including MUFON, The X-Conference, The Bay Area UFO Expo, UFO Expo West, The International UFO Congress, The Whole Life Expo, and others. She has been a guest on numerous popular radio shows including Coast-to-Coast AM, and has appeared on several television shows. For nine years she was the Producer and Director of a UFO lecture series hosting the most prominent names in ufology. In addition to her abduction work, Leslie has been a paranormal researcher for over 25 years and a founding member of the Orange County Paranormal Researchers Group, an organization which conducts formal paranormal investigations.

Melinda Leslie, also known as “The UFO Lady,” co-operates the Center for the New Age in Sedona, Arizona. Among other duties, she hosts UFO Sighting Tours and Tours of Vortexes. Her company also houses a UFO Research Center which holds regular UFO Discussion Groups. MILABS-Alien-Abduction.jpg


Melinda Leslie is available to present her research regarding How the Covert-ops’ Reverse-Engineering of Extraterrestrial Abductees Redefines UFO Cover-ups and Abduction Paradigms. Leslie speaks about the management of extraterrestrial related information and technology that includes the monitoring and re-abduction of alien abductees. She explains that just as covert-ops personnel gather and reverse engineer extraterrestrial craft, they also gather and reverse-engineer abductees – and for the same reasons: furthering the development of secret technology programs and control of extraterrestrial information. She explains how military surveillance enables them to re-abduct and interrogate abductees in order to gather information on ET motives, ET genetics, abductee psi/paranormal abilities and ET technology.


Melinda believes covert-ops’ involvement may be the best evidence for the reality and importance of UFO abduction. Additionally, her presentation demonstrates why there can’t be official disclosure without it addressing the abduction phenomenon. Melinda also conducts weekly UFO Discussion Groups for those who wish to share their personal experiences or to hear about her abduction and sighting experiences and/or have questions. All things UFO and ET are discussed and everyone is welcome.





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